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Monday, November 26, 2007

Did Jesus and his Disciples use Recreational Drugs?

According to the new bylaw change championed by John Sullivan and adopted by the Messengers at the 146th annual meeting of the Florida Baptist State Convention; the answer is YES!

The Following is an excerpt from a Baptist Press article posted on Nov 15, 2007 by Barbara Denman & Joni B. Hannigan

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (BP)--Messengers at the 146th Florida Baptist State Convention annual meeting overwhelmingly approved a bylaw revision requiring all trustee nominees to "agree to abstain from drinking alcoholic beverages and using any other recreational drugs."

According to Florida Baptist Convention Wine which almost everyone agrees, except Fundamentalist and those who cannot read their Bibles, that Jesus and his Disciples drank apparently quite often (see Luke 7:33-34) is a “Recreational Drug”.

In their lust for total control the leadership of the Florida Baptist Convention have imposed upon the Baptist Churches of Florida an odious infringement upon the cherished Baptist Principles of Religious Freedom and Personal Responsibility before God that have stood for one hundred and forty-five years! Not even at the height of the Prohibition Movement were any such draconian measures conceived in order to “Purge” the Convention of undesirables.

There is a good reason why such measures have never before been enacted by any Body of Baptist Believers… which is if Jesus Christ and his Disciples were alive today they would be found “Unworthy” to serve with the Florida Baptist Convention… Nice!

And according to this new interpretation of the Florida Baptist Convention which classifies Wine as a “Recreational Drug” Jesus is guilty of the manufacture and distribution of “Recreational Drugs”.

1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there: 2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage. 3 And when they wanted "Recreational Drugs", the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no "Recreational Drugs". 4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come. 5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it. 6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. 7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim. 8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it. 9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made "Recreational Drugs", and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, 10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good "Recreational Drugs"; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good "Recreational Drugs" until now. 11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him. (John 2:1-11) – FBT (Florida Baptist Translation)

Far-out man! I guess those “Long haired Friends of Jesus” back in the 60 were right after all… Does anyone know where I can get my hands on a Chartreuse Mini-Bus?

This might have played well to the “Gray-haired” messengers (no disrespect intended) who attended the 146th annual meeting of the Florida Baptist State Convention, but to the next generation of young Southern Baptist who grew up under the banner of “Biblical Inerrancy”, and who trust their Bibles over the feeble attempts of the current leadership to justify these actions, it simply smells of “Sour Grapes”.


Anonymous said...

Suprise, surprise. 45 years ago I got saved in a Southern Baptist Church in the St. Louis area. Praise God for that. However my wife was a super market checker in a store in the neighborhood where I lived and the Church was located. She came home dejected because she had sold alcohol to a Deacon who we looked up to. Also I became a Trustee and I found that a break was taken during the meetings to exit to the parking lot for a smoke. I purchased 5 Bibles from the Church library that were the New Revised Standard of which were discarded later. Five years later I left that Church and joined a fundamental Baptist Church. Twenty five years later I was back into the area and I visited a place that meant much to me only to find a Church that was no longer Baptist. Call me " funny fundy" if you will but I have no complaints about the standards in my Church. 45 years of tumbling down the hill can result in only one thing and that is the bottom. Oh sad day. Give me backbone for many have none.
Jim Sadler

G. Alford said...


I can respect any Christian for making the personal decision to abstain from alcohol, smoking, sex, (and whatever…) based upon personal convictions.

What I cannot respect is any Christian saying that I am less a Christian than they are, and am not worthy to serve in the Florida Baptist Convention because I do not hold to their personal convictions. In this case what I find so offensive and over the top is the Florida Baptist Conventions linking the conduct of Jesus Christ with the conduct of “Recreational Drug” users…

That my friend is deeply offensive to me; and it should be deeply offensive to all Christians regardless of where they stand on alcohol use.

Grace Always,

Batchaps said...

The New Floridian Version is hilarious! Is it available at LifeWay?

But seriously, do you believe that those goobers who authored the resolution believe that Jesus was a rec drug user? Or, perhaps they are products of the public schools and do not have the ability to clearly articulate their intended statement?


G. Alford said...


As much as I would enjoy saying that these men are “poorly educated”… the truth is just the opposite – they are in fact “highly educated” and for that very reason their actions are even more grievous. I think they said exactly what they intended to say!

In their over-zealous desire to “SMEAR and DISCREDIT” all those who would dare to disagree with them on the issue of alcoholic beverages (wine) they “intentionally” classified all alcoholic beverages (wine) as “Recreational Drugs”.

Personally, I feel that there is a deeper motive at work here… you have to remember that we are talking about “The Peoples Republic of Florida Baptist Convention”. The current leadership of the above mentioned Baptist Convention is without doubt the most HYPER and AGGRESSIVE in their Anti-Calvinistic activities of any State Convention within the SBC. These guys absolutely hate Calvinism and under the leadership of John Sullivan are guilty of going after Calvinist in the state of Florida time and time again over the last few years.

Knowing this, and that at the 2006 Southern Baptist Convention it was mainly Calvinist who went to the microphones to say to the Convention that a resolution against alcoholic beverages could not be defended by the Scriptures… and knowing that John Sullivan about “blew a fuse” over this issue after it was debated a length at the Convention… I am left to conclude that “Yes they said what they intended to say…” and “Yes there is more to this issue than meets the eye”.

In my opinion (no other Calvinist is responsible for this opinion but me) I believe this to be a “Stealth” measure intended to keep as many Calvinist out of the Florida Baptist Convention as possible… But then I am a “Conspiracy Theorists” at heart and I see “Red Agents” everywhere I look in the SBC… :-)


Batchaps said...

Have you heard of ARBCA? I've a dear friend who, like me, is fed up with NAMB/SBC and leaving the former to move to this group where he is not the "persecuted" chaplain. Their homepage is

Take care and faith the good fight!


G. Alford said...


Yes I have heard of ARBCA, and while I am committed to fighting the good fight for my SBC (at least for now…) I am also excited by the growth that is occurring in the ARBCA.

Grace Always,